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« on: Apr 04 2011 11:51:23 AM »

http://roshpinaproject.com/2011/04/02/daily-mail-ancient-books-created-by-an-early-messianic-jewish-sect/


London Daily Mail: Ancient books ‘created by an early Messianic Jewish sect’?

April 2, 2011 in Uncategorized | Tags: dead sea scrolls, Denominations, israel, Jews, Messianic Judaism, Religion and Spirituality, Roman Empire, yad lachim | by Joseph

I am interested in the way language is used, and the way language changes over time. Some people might suggest that the term “Messianic Jewish” is one that only Christian missionaries use in order to make their product more appealing to normal Jews, and is also used by Hebrew Christian apostates from Judaism who are confused about their identity, or want the best of both worlds.

In reality, the term ‘Messianic Jewish’ is used quite widely within evangelical, Reform, Protestant and Anglican circles to refer to Jews who believe that Yeshua the Nazarene is Moshiach. The term is also gaining legitimacy within the wider world, to refer to any group throughout history of Jews believing in Jesus.

Today, the London Daily Mail reports on a set of books that have been discovered in Jordan recently. They use the term “Messianic Jewish” in this way, to refer to an ancient community of Yeshua-worshipping Jews.

Some excerpts from the article (read it in full though):

The tiny booklet, a little smaller than a modern credit card, is sealed on all sides and has a three-dimensional representation of a human head on both the front and the back. One appears to have a beard and the other is without. Even the maker’s fingerprint can be seen in the lead impression. Beneath both figures is a line of as-yet undeciphered text in an ancient Hebrew script.

Astonishingly, one of the booklets appears to bear the words ‘Saviour of Israel’ – one of the few phrases so far translated.
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The cave [where the books were found] is less than 100 miles from Qumran, where the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, and around 60 miles from Masada, scene of the last stand and mass suicide of an extremist Zealot sect in the face of a Roman Army siege in 72AD – two years after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem.

It is also close to caves that have been used as sanctuaries by refugees from the Bar Kokhba revolt, the third and final Jewish revolt against the Roman Empire in 132AD.

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Unlike the Dead Sea Scrolls, the lead codices appear to consist of stylised pictures, rather than text, with a relatively small amount of script that appears to be in a Phoenician language, although the exact dialect is yet to be identified. At the time these codices were created, the Holy Land was populated by different sects, including Essenes, Samaritans, Pharisees, Sadducees, Dositheans and Nazoreans.

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If genuine, it seems clear that these books were, in fact, created by an early Messianic Jewish sect, perhaps closely allied to the early Christian church and that these images represent Christ himself. However another theory, put forward by Robert Feather – an authority on The Dead Sea Scrolls and author of The Mystery Of The Copper Scroll Of Qumran – is that these books are connected to the Bar Kokhba Revolt of 132-136AD, the third major rebellion by the Jews of Judea Province and the last of the Jewish-Roman Wars.

The revolt established an independent state of Israel over parts of Judea for two years before the Roman army finally crushed it, with the result that all Jews, including the early Christians, were barred from Jerusalem.

Thrilling stuff. thumbsup

We’ll keep you posted on this story!
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 04 2011 12:40:48 PM »

I've heard of this find and it's no wonder some are very much against it, saying it is a hoax

Orthodox Jews never could get along with Yeshua believing Jews

What caught my eye is the name of the topic   -  "Rosh Pina Project"

"Rosh Pina" (Corner stone in Hebrew) as you probably know comes from Psa 118:22  The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. (ESV) - and the corner stone referres to you-know-who  Wink

But my personal connection is that a village by the name of Rosh Pina is just 3 miles away from my village. It's like our "down town"

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 04 2011 01:03:57 PM »

Hupo..............Interesting that a town so close to you would be called Rosh Pina or Cornerstone.................Bethlehem is Place or House of Bread.....Jerusalem........Place of Peace.....what other names in Israel point to Yeshua angel
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 04 2011 02:32:53 PM »


Isn't it very interesting how as close as we are going down the end times alley- that archaelogy is constantly finding old artifacts and other items that validates the Scriptures and the existence of the early church?

Veddy Veddy interesting.

It is as if they, the objects, are "crying out" like the stones.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 04 2011 03:43:13 PM »

Hupo..............Interesting that a town so close to you would be called Rosh Pina or Cornerstone.................Bethlehem is Place or House of Bread.....Jerusalem........Place of Peace.....what other names in Israel point to Yeshua angel

It's no coincidence. Israel is a live museum. Anywhere you go you are close to history so Rosh Pina is just one of many sites

It just caught my eye as it was sitting on the subject line

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 04 2011 03:58:47 PM »


Isn't it very interesting how as close as we are going down the end times alley- that archaeology is constantly finding old artifacts and other items that validates the Scriptures and the existence of the early church?

Veddy Veddy interesting.

It is as if they, the objects, are "crying out" like the stones.

It's true.

The finds that validate scripture are amazing. And they have been found in the last 50 years or so.

All I can say is ha! to those minimalists!!!

And is it like the stones are crying out!
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 04 2011 08:32:07 PM »

I've heard of this find and it's no wonder some are very much against it, saying it is a hoax

Orthodox Jews never could get along with Yeshua believing Jews

What caught my eye is the name of the topic   -  "Rosh Pina Project"

"Rosh Pina" (Corner stone in Hebrew) as you probably know comes from Psa 118:22 ESV.  The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. (ESV) - and the corner stone referres to you-know-who  Wink

But my personal connection is that a village by the name of Rosh Pina is just 3 miles away from my village. It's like our "down town"

David
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Hi David,

18. The Lord has chastened me sore: but he has not given me up to death.
19. Open to me the gates of righteousness:
I will go into them,  and give praise to the Lord.
20. This is the gate of the Lord:
the righteous shall enter by it.
21.I will give thanks to thee;
because thou hast heard me,
and art become my salvation.
22.the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner.
23. This has been done of the Lord;
and it is wonderful in our eyes.
24. This is the day which the Lord has made:
let us exalt and rejoice in it.
25. O Lord, save now: O Lord, send now prosperity.
26. Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord:
we have blessed you out of the house of the Lord.
27.  God is the Lord,
and he shined upon us.
celebrate the feast with thick
[branches, binding the victims]
even to the horns of the altar.
28. Thou art my God,
and I will give thee thanks.
thou art my God,
and I will exalt thee.
I will give thanks to thee,
for thou hast heard me,
and art become my salvation.
29. Give thanks to the Lord;
for he is good:
for his mercy endured for ever.
[Psalm 117/118:18-29. Sept. LXX. His Steadfast love endures forever! English translation of the Septuagint With Apocrypha:
Greek And English. Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton. Hendrickson/Samuel Bagster & Sons.London 1851.].[September 2005 P770.].


I read this here and here King James and Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer echoing down the centuries when I read this!

The Lord has not given Jesus up to death.  Mortally He died on the Cross for our sins yet, "He is Risen, He is risen indeed!"

I will enter His Gates with thanksgiving in my heart, I will enter His Courts with praise!

The Lord will save now. John 3:16-18 ESV.!

We are to give thanks to the Lord for His mercy endureth forever!

God is The Lord!

And His Face shineth upon us/me!

Celebrate the Feast with the thick branches. Palm Sunday perhaps!

I will exalt thee and give you thanks O my Saviour!
For you Lord art good! 
And thy mercy endureth forever!

Here as we come up to Easter we have the importance of the palm branches and Palm Sunday!

Then Passover,  He died on the Cross for my sins.  The blood dripping from his forehead for me means that He was marked with the Blood of the Lamb in such a way that He mortally died and His spirit was laid to rest in the tomb.

But nothing could hold Him and He descended into Hell and the grave and raised up the chosen ones, the tombs burst open and some witnessed the dead walking amongst the living!

The Cornerstone of The New Temple for we are the bricks/stones in the walls of this Temple, New Spiritual Temple of The Lord being built today, living-stones, The Church Omnipotent, Bride of Christ!

The Alternative to the Cornerstone is the Keystone, The Stone at the Top of The Gate-arch holding up The Gateway for us to pass through into the Holy Place, where He holds up the gate/door leading into The Holy-Place where His Altar stands with the Horns of mercy to grasp on that Altar as a refuge for us to take hold.  The Altar is God's Holy Presence, The HolyGhost Himself to hold us safe!

And here I must stop reasoning this part of Psalm 118:18-29 ESV.

Yours in His Steadfast Love, mercy and forgiveness,

Colin.     
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 04 2011 09:13:27 PM »

Hi All an addition,

In The 27 verse of the above in Septuagint we have the word inserted by Sir Lancelot as 'victims'!  I prefer to use the word Festal-sacrifice, Psalm 118:27 ESV. which for me refers to Jesus Christ, The Unblemished Lamb! Which brings the verse into focus.

Jesus The Lamb was not mutilated by being cut up was He!

Binding Him/The Festal-lamb up to the Bar of the Cross perhaps a better description of event!

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness toward us with His Steadfast Love flowing forever over us,

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 05 2011 03:07:17 AM »

Wondering about the name , Rosh Pina.
The people who gave it that name were not believers as far as I know so what made them use that name?
What did they see in the name?

This is what I googled up:

The establishing day of Rosh Pina was around December 1882 (yes, way back in time). The rain had started to fall in December which is a couple of months late. There was fear of a famine and due to the rain, the settlers could start plowing the fields for the first time towards sowing later on.
7th candle of Chanuka was the first plowing and was declared the birthdate of the new settlement.   It was a big day.

The settlement that was first started 4 years earlier in 1878 was deserted for lack of winter rains mainly, but the idea of a village based on agriculture, wasn't.
A nearby Arab village, Jauni, helped the new settlers to rebuild the place. A local spring was a big factor too. as was the wonderful view of the Hermon mountain.

The name Rosh Pina was given by the new settlers to symbolize the fact that even though the place was deserted, it had been rebuilt again
The stones that the first settlers had rejected became the building stones of the renewed village

So there you have it

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« Reply #9 on: Apr 05 2011 05:01:33 AM »

Very good work David,

Sometimes the unbeliever does not know what he is doing, or why he does it. But The Lord does!

I wonder what the ancient history of the place and place name was in modern Rosh Pina?  What is there on our ancient maps of the place??? .... !

It reminds me of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

I have read somewhere in the past that not only is the Holy Place deep below the present surface and thus protected from Unholy Feet, but it is situated between the Christian Church at one end and the Moslem's/Mohammedan's Dome on the Rock at the other end.

In the middle buried in the time of debris and stone sets is 'The Floor of the Holy Place' itself as  a reminder that our Christian Temple is buried in the debris and sin sometimes of and in our own Heart-soul-mind-spirit!!! ....!

But not to worry folks and brothers and sisters in the Lord, for He can sweep it away with a set of words like 'Jesus is Lord', 'Praise ye The Lord!' 'And come to The Living Waters coming from Me to you and drink!

As a living part of the living Spiritual Temple we do not need to journey to old places to seek 'Divine Help' for He not only knocks but opens the door in The Gateway of our souls and hearts and bids us enter in.  In the centre of the Gateway is the Keystone/Capstone/Cornerstone holding the Gateway of the doorway eternally secure.

All we have to do is believe repent and Jesus will do the rest!

We can not miss it for The Light of Life Shines through the open door with 'The HolyGhost Presence' and the darkness has never understood it or put it out!

Jesus, John, John 1:1-5 ESV.

Colin,

I still gets lost and wanders off but as with the footprints in the sand when they were reduced to one set of footprints in the wilderness He replies always,  "Don't you know, they were mine and I was carrying you!"

I, Jesus, (Yah. as The Choirmaster in The Temple used to call Him!), have never left you after you believed like a child then you wandered off and left me again and again!

Or something like that!!! .... !  You know Jesus, I am, You are still Lord!     
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 05 2011 10:35:54 AM »

Another amazing story in Israel, David.

Israel still holds lessons for us and the Jewish brothers and sisters in our world.

I love our God. Awesome!
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 05 2011 01:41:15 PM »

Thanks Hupo and Colin, the common place has become inspiring sweetheart
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 06 2011 08:21:18 PM »


Ammmmazing!
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 07 2011 02:58:56 AM »

I was just day dreaming the other day....

The entire HC4U forum were on a tour in Israel.
We would be going around everywhere and anywhere. It makes no difference 'cause wherever you go, you step on history
It's like living in a museum

... God even makes dreams come true....who knows?

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« Reply #14 on: Apr 07 2011 09:21:27 AM »

That would be a wonderful experience!!!!

So many I met were on their 2nd and 3rd and even 4th tour of Israel.
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