Brain-mechanics: General; Metaphysical/Physical Sense;

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

Placed in Inspiration because I fear I may be in need of some!

How would one go about this from scratch I hear myself saying,

"Well apart from praying/talking to Father about it,"

1.  Brain Mapping using sites to do with just that, learn from others where certain bits of me is and function's from for example!

2.  Consider the Metaphysical Reality in amongst the little grey cells up here somewhere!

3.  In the mechanics of standing up without falling over,

1].  How does my Christianity fare in all this thinking and brain-strain I wonder!

2].  Consideration I feel, must be given to what has gone before, before you and I started out a fresh on this new journey in the personal puter?

3].  What makes you think that I know what my right hand is doing behind the back of my left hand anyway?

I am sure that there is more than one of us here who is better qualified to contribute from scratch than me?  Be my guest!  Driving the body from the bridge between the eyes or should that be behind the eyes might be a practical application of Christianity and this thread.  Why should the devil have use of all the good science I ask! 

Now isn't the Lord wonderful, we are to worship Him in spirit and truth, for He is Spirit and Truth and we are told that we should love Him with all our  hearts, and with all our souls/minds and with all our strength/might.

I will try to stick to some of the above pattern without it sounding like a textbook hopefully but I would hope you would give to this thread what He inspires within you to give as an offering to Him despite perhaps the above here with,

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,

Colin.

[Ruth Ann]

This is a difficult subject. Difficult because of its material and difficult because I'm not sure what you're asking. 

But let me state something that I've thought for a while.

God gave us a good brain. Some have better brains than others. Those with better brains realize how much they don't know. The loftier brains don't have such a high IQ.

The science that we find in fact ( there are many different kinds of animals in one species that seem to have come from one branch of the animal tree) is much different from the 'science' that we assume or theorize (life came from joining of chemicals and strikes of lightening and evolved into man.)

Seems to me that anytime men press their unproven 'views' without back up and trial they are always proselytizing against God and scripture. Then they run into trouble for they must quash all other viewpoints to their 'theory' and of course money (university and govt grants) always enters the picture. As well as power and fame. And when you look back at such events in man's history, you see all the smarmy little characteristics of the fall. arrogance, pride, rebellion against God, stealing, murder, hatred and so it evolves into the most barbaric behavior in men.

But pure science is from God. It's a beautiful and powerful thing for our brains, to understand some of the workings of our universe. Don't you just love mysteries?

I hope I wasn't too off course with my post, Colin.

[Colin2000]

Hi Ruth,

Well that is a good place to start from in your post, will be back soon.  I have just installed a new office phone for when my wife is out looking after the grand-children.

It is working well until an old man picks the phone up and spoke in his colliery accident, sorry accent - I need a decoder!

But not to worry I actually could hear what he was saying, trouble was it wasn't in my kind of English!

My mind was not attuned to his matter so I must go and check the phone book for the translation!!! .... !

Yours in Christ,

Your post Ruth is on a right track anyway, later,

Colin.

[olivet]

I love these musings and chats here at the Pond.  What a beautiful way to look at science.  Reasoning, a part of science is always compatible and faith as is science itself, that is the test

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

Time to share some homework with you as a possible reference point in Human Brain Mapping!

A Science Reference point perhaps?

The Human Brain Map from The BBC.,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/body/interactives/organs/brainmap/

I wonder if it will work before pontificating on it!

But isn't Jesus wonderful, He created it!

Colin.

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

Second time lucky in BBC set up and now I know, howabout that,

"When you lift your fork to your mouth there are lots of little neurons saying to each other along the nerve passageway, "Left hand down a bit, no you fool you missed it's mouth! right hand up a bit!"

I need to know what the brain picture is like and visualise it before I can understand it.  The BBC. Brain-map could well be a good tool to do this for us on the Computer before we take a nose dive into the Metaphysical soup!

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,

Colin.

PS.  Now I didn't know that, there are two of me, frightening isn't it!!! .... !

 

[Ruth Ann]

Lead on, Colin!

Good summary of the brain.

Isn't the human body an amazing thing!!!! We are indeed wonderfully made.

[Colin2000]

Hi Ruth and All,

Glad to have you on board!

Unlike certain subjects religions etc. here I know I am in no-mans land and having to feel my way through to a little bit of understanding and shining light on the OP.

You may well find me going back to the OP. above often because it is a multipurpose one rather than a single subject exploration of a thread/thought!

What also needs to be considered and listened too is "The still small voice of The HolyGhost's Charisma attracting and guiding us into a fresh look for some I am sure into 'The Four Mystical Fields of religion'.

These fields for me as I occasionally return to them help to organise the Mind thus allowing myself at any rate exploring the four corners of The Religious Field of Christianity!  Its boundary is of course set around Christianity and is unbelief!  One side we have the unbeliever, the other side the Believer.

Another way of looking at this Brian or should I say Mind-mapping exercise of Christianity in a systematic way could be to think of a cube with it's equal dimension sides and height with the four fields as stratas in the cubes parameters/perimeters.

If this above is gobbledygook to some of you here join the club!  I am trying to take you with me in the way I unfortunately think!  By all means jump in and take this thread in another direction if you feel you want to go. 

In the mean time while I am thinking and circling my garden to clear my Head/Mind! (Head = Brain/Mind with Body/Heart/Soul and spirit/attached whilst other things that can drop off might just!

It follows that we have taken a look into the physical three dimensional 'Brain' behind our eyes!  I consider the Mind, yours and mine, to be housed in this Organic-brain, a wonderfully God-Breathed and engineered Organic-Computer!  So where to next,

1.  I want to explore the Brain in a simple down to earth way in search of just that:  The Mind's presence Where is it? and What is it? How is it?

2.  At the same time I hope through Talking and Listening to God and you folk to see and hear inspired insight into a real perception of ourselves, thinking and doing perhaps?

3.  Try to be alert to The HolyGhost's voice and leading too as an added bonus?

In the mean time jump into the swimming pool of the Mind or should that be the spiritual-womb again and Communion with the Lord!  As Nicodemus has said, can we return to the womb again? Interesting!

Usually I have a Conclusion already prepared on some thread, yes an agenda, not bothered if it shows sometimes but this agenda here is any bodies guess just at the moment!

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,

Colin.

PS.  LORD I hope you are listening to this for thinking on a higher plain needs our minds to be open and our Hearts tuned in to that little squashed football called a Brain??? .... !

PPS.  Is there any thing Physical/Metaphysical to pin down how we arrange our thoughts and where in BBC. website above for example example of Brain structure/system circuitry can we find it?

PPPS. How many of us can produce a picture in full Technicolour in our Minds-eye and where, what, how do we do it?   

[Ruth Ann]

Colin, what are the 4 mystical fields of religion?

I worked in psychiatry for 7 years. 3 as staff nurse and 3 as head nurse. I began thinking of the 'mind' as somewhere out there...
And realized that the mind is housed in the cranium. It really doesn't roam in the ether waves.

And the mind is subject to all sorts of dis-ease. Since physical mix up of the brain chemicals can cause mixup of thinking, there have been many attempts at realigning those brain chemicals to normal balance and function. One 'treatment' that impressed me was electro convulsive treatments. The improvement in psychotic depression was nothing short of miraculous.

At any rate, I learned that medicine, from medical care and from the street or over the counter, could make changes in the mind. There were attempts at many kinds of treatment, another of which was insulin shock treatment. Not very effective in my estimation.

So when we realize the mind lives inside a bony house called the cranium and further is enclosed inside the brain, I, at least, am in awe of what a few chemicals and nerve synapses can do! It's an awesome thing that any brain can maintain control of so much in such a complex organism with so many systems and organs and cells.

I read once or twice that God had put a place in our brains for belief in God.

I'll have to find that again. Maybe this is the faith that the Bible speaks of that I believe we all begin with and then our own spiritual health depends on what we do with this faith.

Just a thought.

[Ruth Ann]

Here's a rather new article on faith and the brain 2009

Rather than being located in separate areas, religious and spiritual phenomena “tend to be built upon the existing framework of how the brain works”, said Newberg (photo left). “So if we have an experience of the love of God, there is an underlying biology of that experience that is probably the same as how you feel love for your wife, for example. On the other hand, what we also tend to find is that there seems to be a larger network of structures that do tend to get involved. The data seem to suggest that (faith) probably activates these structures to a slightly stronger degree.

“My favorite discussion is what does this really mean. Does it mean we’ve found how God interacts with our brain or have we found that God is nothing more than a manifestation of our brain? I don’t have an answer for you yet …”

Excerpts are all from the article, not me!

[Ruth Ann]

Another article from FOX:

National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Stroke interview

Brain scans showed that participants fell back on higher thought patterns when reacting to religious statements, whether trying to figure out God's thoughts and emotions or thinking about metaphorical meaning behind religious teachings.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,507605,00.html#ixzz1JhoqX2DZ

[Ruth Ann]

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].

We must have faith.

Some say God gives us that faith. Some say God only gives that faith to the elect.  But we won't go there.

I think the Bible says we all have faith. IOW, God has given us all a bit of faith. Some more. Others less? It's up to us what we do with it.
I think we're born with it.
Just an opinion.

[Colin2000]

Hi Ruth,

Sorry about that, I must not have left that one clear enough in the reading?


Not four mystical fields Ruth, only one,  in four fields of religion,

1. Doctrine.

2. Ethical.

3. Worship.

4. Mystical.

The Fourth Mystical Flied in my understanding of it is:  That which can not be explained by Physical Science generally!  A rider to this is the things that we understand but has the direct hand of The LORD on them!

For example Paul's listed gifts of The Spirit,(Holy Spirit!)!
Also the visitations of The LORD in Church setting for example:  The visit of The HolyGhost in Sunderland in 1910 and elsewhere leading to Pentecostalism in part's of the Baptist Traditions just after that time here.  AOG. & Elim. Churches for example!

Norway also was linked into this visitation of The HolyGhost when The Fire of The LORD Fell/came down onto Christians at that time. And some of them fell down under Him too!

David:  The Charismatic gifts and move of The HolyGhost! A Label/definition perhaps!

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The other part of your post on the mind Ruth, I go along with the exception of the use of electro-shock treatment not with that at all!

I am about to look a little closer at 'The Mind' so I will come back on that and if you have anything more to add please do in the meantime!

For me as a cold comment 'The Mind' is in the frontal Lobes.  This means that it sits in the front-top part of the Brain, I sit in the top part of the Brain??? .... !  I will have to do some reading and some self-examination to be sure of that!  

For example:  Could this mean that The mind is also split into two, left/right lobes too?  I don't know, I will have to visit the BBC. Brain under Functions again to find out!  

A picture comes to mind of a lady in your country having her brain separated with a scalpel.  Both halves were left in place and working.  Her left hand opposed her right hand for example. the righthand undid her buttons while the lefthand fastened them again.  A tragic experiment in itself but it certainly got everybody thinking did it not!  

A certain place in the Brain/Mind for belief in The LORD to be born again there!  I like that Ruth but is this not to tidy I wonder??? .... ?  Maybe not it opens the door to an understanding does it not!  Hope you can find the reference?

I sit and watch myself typing this and consider that my fingers can not spell either!

Yours in Christ,

Colin.

PS.  I am experimenting with a very, very brief addition to the main Thread Title here abouts?  If it works it might help us all to mark an additional variant to mark changes in posts rather than by going off and starting a near duplicate Thread somewhere else in the Forum!  I can do it on two Threads here and now because I started them myself.  Can you alter your Title Posting here Ruth?

 

[Ruth Ann]

I believe you can alter your title.

You can, I think, also go back to your original post and change the title.

If the post is too old, you are not able to alter it.

The, I'm sure the mod will do it for you.

PS
I'm getting this habit from you. oh my.

The later articles now say that there is no one God spot in the brain. It's a universal thing in the brain involving cerebellum, cerebrum and limbic systems!
I think that's something that God would do!

PPS
I'll have to relate to you an experience in psychiatry that impressed me very much.

[Colin2000]

Hi Ruth,

Yes I can do it but to change the lot I would not want to do that.  Usually on Forums a post by me would not be allowed to be altered!

However we all could add something to our posts title before we post perhaps to mark it out?

It works for me here anyway and you as a Mod. could do it on request too but a small addition to mark a post out by anybody??? .... !

No matter you will see 'THE MIND' added here perhaps?

Yours in Christ,

Colin.

PS. Thankyou for the Fox additional quote will have to open them later!

PPS. Experience in psychiatry is from ancient history now in Forensic Psychiatry mostly in murder and making/defusing very large fireworks!

PPPS.  The PS. afterthought can be more interesting than the Post you know sometimes!!! .... !

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

The Mind and thinking can be done by pictures in true Technicolour by stringing them together in thought.

The lazyman's way is with words and Language tool!

How do we feel about this article which in some ways ignores The Creator perhaps!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110415165500.htm

So I had better go and look to see whether BBC-Brain has 'language'
on it's list of functions?

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,

Colin.

PS.  One thing came to mind on loss of use of language happened a long time back now but was found to be amusing at the time.
The story goes that an ex-German prisoner of war after a few years married to an English girl could not remember one German word.
Only thing was that he was always dreaming in German outloud at night in his sleep.
His wife was seriously thinking of learning German to find out what he was dreaming about.
It was before modern tape-recorders you know!

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

Thought Control:

I wonder whether this could be of interest in 'Tool's of the Mind' here?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110418152334.htm

Willing something to happen straight from the Mind and not the fingers or throat!

Mind reading possible with the right tool plugged into the head over the mind.

I wonder whether it is fitted over the language strip on the Brain's surface.

Views in pictures/language/brain code!

Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,

Colin.

PS.  I would like to think I moves something by pictures rather than English?

PPS. Having a conversation with your loved one while you are both plugged into your computer.  Living dangerously perhaps?

[Colin2000]

Hi All,

Science Daily has modified their report with a heading now toward the disabled use.  Still worth a look though possibilities for the future!

I have put into above the new address if someone was looking hard for the original and could not find it!

Colin.

[Ruth Ann]

Well, we know the brains emits electrical waves. They are measured by using and electroencephalograph.

When there are no brains waves and the EEG is flat, there is the possibility of brain death.

[Colin2000]

Well, we know the brains emits electrical waves. They are measured by using and electroencephalograph.

When there are no brains waves and the EEG is flat, there is the possibility of brain death.

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Hi Ruth,

Yes I have often wondered what would happen if when alone in our city mortuary I heard knocking coming from the other side of one of the fridge doors?  But not to worry I decided I would know what to do at the time, "Faint!"

It is at times like this that I find I must put my faith and trust in Jesus' hands too!!! .... !

Colin.

PS.  If circuitry exists in that part of the Brain where the mind is!  The possibility of reactivating them has always been in the back of my mind!  But I am like that you know!